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1 fermin (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:44 amReport abuse
“Falkland Islanders […] regarded the proposal as a deeply cynical political move designed to suppress increasing worldwide criticism of Argentina’s extremely aggressive “Malvinas” policy…”
Wow! Lies are starting to be extremely unsofisticated.
If there existed a “worldwide criticism against Argentina” the UK would go into multilateral organisms and would show itself supported by concrete world leaders in stead of trying to make this conflict go back to silence in the shadows, no?
In stead of sending warships, no? They know Argentina is no military threaten. How is Argentina gonna threaten Malvinas Islands and the people libing there if it is part of its territory… I think the British Colonial ideology is proyecting its colonial practices over a country like Argentina, that has never been a colonial power, doesn’t want to be and wouldn’t know how to be one.
I would like to know what world leaders are considered to be part of this “worldwide criticism”.
I can name the governments who are not part of this: the USA one, China, Russia, Spain, Iran, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, and all the rest of larinamerican countries.
And these are just the ones that I remember now that said something about this conflict, neutral in the case of the US and in support of Argentina in the case of China, all Southamerica and most of Central America.
I would also like to lnow of all the islanders take their oppinion to such an extreeme and hilarious like “cynical political move”.
2 xbarilox (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:54 amReport abuse
@ 1 Hola camporista, ¿estuviste en el congreso hoy? Boudou miente, peronista :) Fermin, you’ll need to write comments longer than that to convince the Falklanders of your good intentions. You’ll have to wait for so long, that you’ll grow roots and branches until you are a tree. Enjoy it :)
3 brit abroad (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:58 amReport abuse
fermin, change your name to vermin please. it will suit you better
replys to this post are not monitored so please do not respond.
4 Lord Ton (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:59 amReport abuse
Nicely put response – looks like you were right Think – no ‘move’ at all :-)
5 Boovis (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:17 amReport abuse
So Argentina have, for all intents and purposes, been laying siege to the islands, and now offers their vehicles as the only way out of the siege. Is this the middle ages or what’s going on here?
Considering CFK’s behaviour of the past months, no right-minded person would think she has no other motive. To let her control the air routes would be a notch on her belt and a win for her attempt at claiming the islands. Hey kids, just say no.
6 Marcos Alejandro (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:18 amReport abuse
Mike Summers, another Member of the Legislative Assembly, said “There are too many issues going on at the moment”
You can’t handle it Mike? ask Dick..Sawle, this fine englishman from Sheffield is a surfer, spanish teacher and a egyptologist.
7 Boovis (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:23 amReport abuse
@6 I would suggest there are too many things going as Argentina is busy blocking shipping and trade to the islands and that’s more of a concern right now than opening up some air route with what he perceives as a foreign aggressor. If you had no food because your neighbour kept cutting your tyres, then one day knocked on your door and said “hey, do you want a lift to the shops?” you’d be suspicious too.
@1 what are you talking about “sending warships”?! There was one ship there and has been for the past 30 years, the numbers haven’t changed. If your point is that the ship is more powerful, that’s like saying “200 years ago they had a ship of the line there, now they have metal boats and everything”. It’s called technology, sorry if our ships are taking advantage of scientific changes, maybe the Argentine navy can take note.
8 Marcos Alejandro (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:41 amReport abuse
George Galloway interviews Patrick Mercer
Feb 2012
“3000 people can not lead British foreign policy..”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywrirqt-2Gc
9 ARGENTINOHASTALASBOLAS (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:41 am
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10 Boovis (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:44 amReport abuse
@8 George Galloway? Seriously? Look up “George Galloway plays the role of a cat” on youtube and look at who you’re quoting. This man has also openly supported Islamic extremist terrorists, but then I know Argentina’s friends with Iran so why does that not surprise me?
11 JuanStanic (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:57 amReport abuse
I can see how this will go on. Islander do not want Pt. Arenas-Stanley to end. CFK makes sure that flight will still go on claiming “We care of the Islanders”. The flights will be subdized. Eventually LAN will make the flight less regular. Flights between Stanley and major Patagonian cities in the south will be done once or twice a month. Punta Arenas will keep loosing importance. As LAN is private, they will eventually find the flight is no longer profitable. And they make it less regular.
And she might end doing the same with ships. But they have to be Argentine ships. And BTW she helps strenghten our Mercantile fleet.
Brazil and Uruguay will still be mostly closed and Chile can’t compete with us in price for vegetables and meat. So you end up buying most from us. And you are where she wants you to be.
This is what I believe she plans to happen. And as she(or her harty) is unfortunately likely to stay in power(for now), this may very well happen.
12 STRATEGICUS (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:22 amReport abuse
The per capita income of the average Falklander is put at approx $65,000 per annum as compared to less than $15,000 for the average Argentinian .This is even before the oil money starts flowing ( at least $10 billion from the Rockhopper finds alone) and probably more the way the price of oil is going.
Latin America, even now with the growth of Brazil , is a regional backwater as compared to the global Anglo world. Even civilised Latin countries such as Mexico are scary with their 50,000 drug deaths.
With the type of money the islanders are in line to receive they can afford to establish links to anywhere in the world.To South Africa,over the pole to Australia and New Zealand ;to people they feel more comfortable with, who are not constantly bullying them.
Just as with the 1982 war this upsurge of Argentinian ‘huff and puff’ is doing the Falkland and British cause a favour because it makes people around the world look at Argentina as a ‘fruitcake country’. Not as much of a danger to the world as North Korea , Iran or Venezuela but definitely not quite right in the head.
13 JuanStanic (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:49 amReport abuse
And this relates to my statements because…?
14 Beef (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:53 amReport abuse
Marcos – so you are a fan of Galloway? A man who said he admired Sadam Hussain. You do like you dictators down there don’t you. Do you also have a photo of Galtierri in your wallet?
Would you want to be Galloway’s pussy cat?
15 brit abroad (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:58 amReport abuse
Last Friday joke:
Arguing with a Argentine is like playing chess with a pigeon.
You could be the greatest player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and strut around triumphantly.
16 Green Goose (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:08 amReport abuse
Another thing. Do the Argentines run their planes like their trains?
17 Monty69 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:13 amReport abuse
11 JuanStanic
That won’t happen, chiefly because we weren’t born yesterday. Do you think we don’t know what she is up to?
Our job is to make sure that everyone else knows just what she has in mind, and to wring the maximum advantage from it. That includes making sure she agrees to ‘negotiate’ with us over any possible change to the 1999 agreement.
Another thing we could do would be then to offer again an ‘open skies’ policy. We could get our charter flights back and the second LAN flight and watch the BA flight wither due to lack of demand. Not sure this is the right move, but worth considering.
18 STRATEGICUS (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:31 amReport abuse
South America,particularly Argentina , has become less relevant to the future of the Falkland Islands than it might have been in the past. This is an increasing trend. I get the impression the Falklanders are quite enjoying their ‘mini state’ status with their freedom to decide things for themselves.
If you look at a list of the worlds countries by population the smallest independent ones have a population of maybe 10,000 (Nauru and Tuvalu; also islands).The Falklands have 3000 but a GNP bigger than those other mini-states and not threatened to the same extent by global warming.
In 1984, recovering from the war in effect, when thousands of British troops were billeted in the islands ,and the whole place was a mess, the islanders were in a state of shock. Now they are a self confident,self reliant community with just about everything going their way. They are immune to Argie threats .
To quote ‘Gone with the Wind’; ‘frankly my dear, they do not give a damn’ for Argentina or its looney policies.The outside non Latam world is a bigger and more interesting place.
The big surge in tourism is eco tourism and in the South Atlantic/Antarctica region the ‘jewel in the crown’ is South Georgia and
the new Marine Protected Zone and who controls that.Britain and the Gateway to the Antactic; the Falklands.
Argentina might be a ‘big fish’ in its local pond but on the world stage it is ‘small beer’. I read La Nacion,Clarin ,Perfil,Pagina 12 and I am amazed at how many Argentines diss their own country and the government.Many even say where it went wrong was in not being a British colony.
In 1900 Argentina was one of the richest ,most powerful countries
outside Europe. If it was an Anglo country it would be there alongside Australia and Canada in wealth and power. Instead it is a joke country obsessed with harassing a tiny group of islands and their 3000 British population.
19 JuanStanic (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:50 amReport abuse
Well, as I said, I think this(what I stated) is what she is up to.
Now that open skies policy is surely less likely than we getting the Islands.
Really, I think that an option they are considering is to change the LAN flight from Chile to Argentina. So instead Pt. Arenas-Stanley it would be Rio Gallegos-Stanley or Bahia Blanca-Stanley.
I again fail to see the connection.
Nevertheless, I admit ecotourism is the future. We have our own jewells with Isla de los Estados, Gable Island, etc. That just in TDF.
It’s one of the nice things of Argentine Reviosinsm. The same happens with people thinking if Buenos Aires stayed independent, if Rivadavia wasn’t president, if Moreno wasn’t murder. And I could easily do a list exceeding allowed characters.
Nice thing about Alternate history is you can’t grant things for sure. You can only debate on probabilites, likeness and butterflies.
20 STRATEGICUS (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 09:15 amReport abuse
I have met quite a few Latam’s in London, mainly Brazilians and Argentinians as well as many Chilenos when I lived in Australia and without exception they are/were all nice amiable people. From an Anglo and European perspective there does seem to be a ‘deadly seed’ infecting many Hispanic countries and people. I remember once reading a quote by a famous Hispanic writer (I cant remember who it was) who said that the biggest problem with Hispanics are that they ‘are in love with blood and death’.A very dramatic people.
The Anglos are more ‘feet on the ground’. Maybe it is to do with the Catholic faith as compared to the more realistic Protestant religeon (being a Catholic myself).
21 GreekYoghurt (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 09:54 amReport abuse
@20 Catholics live off guilt, so they need something to be guilty about in order to survive. In the case of Argentinians, they use lies. Remember when Tony ‘Pure Evil’ Blair decided he wanted to be Catholic so he could rule the whole of Europe? One can only imagine the steam and screaming that happened as they poured on tonnes of holy water, and sending out of more crucifixes, trying to extirpate those sins. I can only guess they had to give up after running out of resources, and sent him off to be a clearly suitable godfather to Rupert Murdoch’s children.
That was one ex-protestant we were very happy to see the back of.
22 Marcelo Kohen (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:00 amReport abuse
This UK born person who speaks on behalf of the Islanders has not read the 1999 Agreement: the parties to it are the Argentine Republic and the (still) United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Argentina always welcomes Islanders participation in the British delegation, but there are just two parties to the agreement, as well as to the dispute, even if one of them refuses to solve it in clear breach of the basic obligation to settle international disputes through the available peaceful means.
23 GreekYoghurt (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:06 amReport abuse
@22 Marcelo, we read most of the agreements signed by the Argentinians, pretty much every last one they’ve failed to keep. As a lawyer, this must make you feel quite happy. But as an argentinian, we wouldn’t trust a word you have to say.
In the modern world, in line with UN practices on decolonisation, the non-self governing territory is now a de facto self-governing territory.
Your obsession with living in the past and quoting legalities of which argentina has kept none of them, is tiresome. We expect nothing more from an Argentinian (except for more lies).
24 stick up your junta (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:12 amReport abuse
This UK born person who speaks on behalf of the Islanders
According to Section 55 of the Argentine Constitution, candidates for the Argentine Senate must
be at least 30 years old
have been a citizen of Argentina for six years
be native to the province of his office, or have been a resident of that province for two years.
25 STRATEGICUS (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:12 amReport abuse
Marcelo.as I asked you in a previous blog what are you with your surname doing being an apologist for this neo fascist peronist regime ? Peron himself said he had copied ideas from the Nazis.
26 lsolde (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:26 amReport abuse
Don’t want their air links.
Don’t trust them.
Don’t even like them.
Want nothing to do with them.
As someone on here said, lets develop links over the south pole to Australia & New Zealand.
@22 Marcel,
Not 2 parties, 3.
Anyway, we have nothing to discuss with you.
27 Monty69 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:27 amReport abuse
19 JuanStanic
I know what ‘they’ are considering.
I’m just saying that it won’t happen, because we will not agree to it.
We offer something else, and make it clear that we know what is in our best interests, and we do. There is no reason at all for us to agree to changing the flight to Rio Gallegos, apart from Argentina’s crude blackmail.
22 Marcelo Kohen
This ‘UK born person’ is a Falkland Islander and a democratically elected representative of the people. Have a bit of respect and stop making yourself look like a racist. This has nothing to do with you.
You can put whatever spin on this you like. Anything to do with flights is the decision of FIG. The UK gov’t said that quite clearly, and they are the administering power, not you. They are within their rights to decide that.
If you want to talk to a delegation of Falkland Islanders with an FCO official in tow to preserve your dignity, then I’m sure that can be arranged. It won’t change the outcome though will it?
Oh and Falkland Islanders are not always welcome as part of the British delegation. They were told not to bother in 2003.
28 GreekYoghurt (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 10:27 amReport abuse
@24 Is this why Argies don’t accept Falklanders as being Argentinian, they just want the land. Because it would stop them standing for office in TDF province and then immediately declare they have seceded from Argentina.
@22 There are now three parties to the talks, that’s what the UN C24 is all about apparently. If you don’t like it, then go and talk to Ban Ki-moon. While you’re there, ask him why Dokdo isn’t being discussed at the C24, thanks.
29 Rufus (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 11:04 amReport abuse
Let me get this straight in my head. Following weeks/months/years of whining at anyone who will listen (or anyone who doesn’t run away fast enough) rising to a crescendo of aging film stars saying stupid things in the media, Argentina has suddenly had a flashback to reality and is now willing to sit down and negotiate with the Falkland Islands about compliance with all of the international agreements that it has been ignoring and the blockade-only-it’s-not-called-a-blockade that they’ve been trying to impose. And look, co-operation on fisheries and hydrocarbons are back on the table.
And one of the things they want to do “for” the islanders is to have direct flights to BsAs? Presumably well enough subsidised to drive LAN away? That can be stopped whenever Argentina has it’s next hissy fit? Or there might be a requirement to have the old-style Argentine ID in order to disembark?
They might have come down in the last shower but I don’t think that either the FIG or the UK did. Suddenly declaring good faith when all of your previous actions indicate bad faith isn’t really going to wash.
30 GreekYoghurt (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 11:42 amReport abuse
@29 No. It’s found that the whinging wasn’t enough and during some necromancy at the weekend, Nestor told her to do exactly what he was doing, which was to break the 1999 agreement with the UK, that basically prevents the Argies creating a full blown nonsense-fest.
Under Peronsim, the Argies will never sit down and talk to the FIG and no FIG member that’s worth their weight in water would trust anything an Argentinian says.
31 Islander1 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 11:49 amReport abuse
JuanStatic- Fantasy Land again! Just supposing we Islanders were crazy enough to say- yes lets have AA coming in direct!
This would involve:
Arg Dept of Civil Aviation talking to and thus recognising Falkland Islads Govt dept of Civil Aviation.
Aerolinea doing the same.
Al Arg businesses who wanted to tradewith the Islands would be filling in standard International Expoewrt Regulation forms showiung they were EXPORTING goods from Arg to the Islands.
Arg Govt Dept of Customs and dept of Agriculture providing and processing theses forms and communicatinf directly with the Falkland Islands Govt Customs and Agric Departments to agrre the necessary International Protocols between both Countries.
All of the above would have to happen – Those are REAL FACTS.
Can you see any of those being permitted by your Govt which refuses to recognise that our Govt exists?
Get a life mate! -Oh, and incidentally ,Lan flies here because it is commerciaally viable – it makes a PROFIT flying here!
32 Conqueror (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 12:16 pmReport abuse
Okay. I don’t think there is any alternative. You guys get your way. All future air links to the Falkland Islands from the South American continent will be by Aerolineas Argentinas. Just three conditions. 1. Landing fees (£5,000) must be paid, in cash, before the aircraft leaves argieland. 2. Every person on every flight must be an argie national. 3. All Aerolineas Argentinas aircraft must land in the ocean at least 5 miles offshore.
33 Anti-Fascist (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 12:17 pmReport abuse
1 fermin
You will probably remember that the entire world was against Argentina invasion of the Falklands in 1982 – amongst the world the UN, the US, EU, Commonwealth, France, Spain, Ireland, Italy, Germany, Soviet Union and China.
Both the US and Australia offer us the use of an aircraft carrier, while New Zealand sent us ships.
I guess that by some warped logic the Argentines can claim the Falklands, by the same logic Britain could claim Argentina. You can convince yourself of the legitimacy of either but the rest of the world when presented with the facts will not be on your side.
Other than the UK, Argentina and the Falklands, no one cares. All the silly games in the world are not going to deliver the Falklands to Argentina.
I look forward to any further planned stunts you wish to pull. So far I’m tending to believe your President is some kind of double agent, she’s doing a good job for Britain so far :)
34 Marcos Alejandro (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 03:25 pmReport abuse
27 Monty69 “This ‘UK born person’ is a Falkland Islander and a democratically elected representative of the people”
This English tourist from Sheffield moved to Malvinas in 1986 to teach Spanish.
Oh I almost forgot your colonial Governor was born in England as well, and moved to Malvinas after his marvelous job at Estonia and Basra(Iraq/Irak).
www.falklands.gov.fk/assembly/Hon._Dick_Sawle.html
35 anti-fascist2 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 03:27 pmReport abuse
The plan is – after the Falklands reject the offer, CFK will say “we made them a responsable offer and they turned their nose up at it” .
We all know the truth – the Argentine neo fascist posters know the truth too – but she will turn around probable 2nd April and say well we made them a responsible offer they refuse, we will now suspend all flights.
Argentina will then be seen clearly for what it is, a economic terrorist nation, that continuously threatens the Falklands.
36 Anti-Fascist (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 03:31 pmReport abuse
34 Marcos Alejandro
I wonder where you were born? Or your parents? Or their parents?
We all know where you live and it isn’t in Argentina. I don’t think any Argie posters on here actually live in Argentina.
You are a nation of largely made up of 1st, 2rd, 3rd and 4th generation colonials, many of you are the children and grandchildren of former war criminals and other Nazi and Fascist’s fleeing Europe after WW2. Which is why you are all so incredibly racist and fanatical.
37 stick up your junta (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 04:07 pmReport abuse
María Eugenia Estenssoro is a Bolivian-born Argentine politician, journalist and activist for women’s rights. She represents the city of Buenos Aires in the Argentine Senate.
38 Marcos Alejandro (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 04:14 pmReport abuse
36 Racist pal, We don’t claim to be British, German, Spaniard, Italian nor anything else, we are all Argentineans. However the handful of islanders born on Malvinas claim to be British and at the same time when is convenient to them they want self determination.
Ok then, get your self determination in Britain, after all they consider themselves British.
You and others always talk about the Germans and Argentina, did you ever visit Chile or the US?
“German Americans are citizens of the United States of German ancestry and comprise about 50 million people, or 17% of the U.S. population, the country’s largest self-reported ancestral group”
Go tell that to the Americans.
39 Islander1 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 04:44 pmReport abuse
Marcos- you can never come with a new angle can you? Same of dirge every day-week-month and year! Wonder you have not yet got Chagos into this topic title!
So what if our current Governor was not born here/ Ask yourself- are the Governor Generals of Australia, NZ and Canada always born in those countries?
Our overnor is the Queens repersentative and the TITULAR head of Govt – he has no vote in any Govt meeting to do with Islands Internal and dailyAffairs- only when it come to Foreign and defence affairs – that is beacuse we gave up and moved on from being a Colony as you know several decades ago!
If your side took over and we were rules from TDF(albeit we might be allowed one or 2 deputies there) and from BA as regards national affairs we would indeed go backwards in our civilization and benome again a 19th century style Colonial place ruled by a Colonial Argentine Govt we do not elect nor want!
There a few more than a handfull of us – abd you know it! You also know that first and foremost we are Islanders – a bit like Welsh,Northern Irish and Scottish folk – then after our own identities we are all British .
You know damn well that we could not go Independent with a large aggresive nation (yours) next door claiming our land! We need a big brother to defend us – he is called Great Britain.
Are you going to tell the people of St Helena to leave their homeland of many generations and go to UK just because they are also British?
40 Monty69 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 04:48 pmReport abuse
34 Marcos Alejandro
Wow, you mean there’s actually a website we can go to that tells us where MLAs came from?
Pillock
Who gives a stuff where the governor worked before he came here? Apart from you, that is.
And we don’t ‘claim’ to be British. We are British. What part of that are you finding hard to understand? The Australians were British, before they gained independence, so were the New Zealanders, etc
We are British Falkland Islanders. Perhaps one day we’ll just be Falkland Islanders. Nothing to do with you though.
41 claudio_laplata (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:16 pm
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42 Karel de Pauw (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:31 pmReport abuse
So, I ‘Christina’ has offered to restart direct flights from BA to Stanley. Well, if I was a Falklander I’d say thanks, but no thanks. You may never get off the ground if you booked a flight with her and her cronies. During the month or so that I spent in Patagonia last November I repeatedly had difficulties getting fuel for my car. In some towns there was nothing – even in tourist spots! – and in others you could get some if you were prepared to pay much higher prices to hoarding (absentee) estancia owners or local officials! In El Chalten I had to bribe the fire brigade for fuel which reduced the wife of my landlord to tears of rage and shame. But nowhere while driving through northern Chile – even in very remote places – did I have problems tanking up.
43 JuanStanic (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:33 pmReport abuse
Remember it’s not up to you to decide it. First it’s LAN which in the case of this hypothetical offer would have to accept. Then we approve it. Then you have to approve it. But by no means you can force LAN wheter to cancel or cancel a flight or not.
Well, it depends on interpretation mainly. Our government could easily take the stance that you are the regional British government. That way they can negotiate. I mean until you are not full independent you are not full independent and you are still British.
For propaganda sake they would do well under the regulations and even better.
As long as the flight makes profit it stays. The problem would be when it doesn’t make profit anymore. As an example, another tax for all flights in Argentina would make LAN loose more than they earn with this one.
44 Marcos Alejandro (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:33 pmReport abuse
Monty, Islander1, You are having a hard time to convince Britain what make you think you can convince anyone else?
“You know, of course, the Malvinas Islands – everybody knows they belong to Argentina.
“So please do not blame the British people. We know the islands belong to you.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9119100/Morrissey-British-know-the-Falklands-belong-to-Argentina.html
45 stick up your junta (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 05:57 pmReport abuse
Chinese are ‘subspecies’ claims Morrissey
www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/7980688/Chinese-are-subspecies-claims-Morrissey.html
46 honoria (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:04 pmReport abuse
@ 43 Juan Stanic
It would most certainly be up to Falkland Islanders to decide which airlines do and do not operate inour airspace. Frankly I am astonished that it has taken Argentina so long to come up with the idea of a thrice weekly airlink. Think of all the tourists and oil rig crews and fishing boat crews thatmight have used it …. if you had done it with any genuine interest in peaceful co-operation and commercial development. Too late now.
47 Anti-Fascist (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:37 pmReport abuse
38 Marcos Alejandro
I wasn’t talking about German’s. I said Fascists and Nazi’s, most of Europe had them. For example Croatia, Bulgaria, Austria, Ukraine, France, Norway, Finland, Denmark, the list goes on.
Ancestral groups is a misnomer, people do not migrate and just marry into their own clans and nationalities, although this is often the case with first and second generation.
Take the Kennedy’s for example: it is generally accepted that their family is Irish ancestrally, however the Kennedy name is itself a Scottish surname and the Kennedy clan have married into English aristocratic families, Scottish nobility and American families. The idea that you can still call them Irish is being stupid. However, you can drawn the conclusion that America is a home for colonials, as so many people look to their family’s ancestry, rather than to America for their sense of identity. Read any American biography and the first segment always deals with ethnic ancestry. The same can be said of Argentina, which has been the home for millions of European colonists, up until today.
Likewise Australia, go to any Australian home and the likelihood is you will find at least one 1st generation migrant.
German’s are not the largest ancestral group in America, the British are but are broken down into English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish. Also in the case of the United States, people reference post 1850 migration, as pre 1850 migration is often unknown. A Mormon survey recently concluded that the vast majority of American claim British ancestry as they hold the largest database in the world on the subject of ancestry they should know.
48 GreekYoghurt (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:49 pmReport abuse
@47 I’m not mormon because i like ‘hot drinks’. I especially like tea, oh and dancing. The Osmonds can hold a tune though.
49 anti-fascist2 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:49 pmReport abuse
And lets not forget the other countries where Nazi’s and Fascists come from or were recruited from into the Axis war machine – Spain, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Portugal, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine, Germany.
Their country of choice to move to when their dream collapsed was Argentina.
And it was the Argentine fascist group AAA that was recruited by a fascist Argentine Peronist government under Eva Peron in the 1970’s and its successor a fascist military junta to help their brave military dispose of the tens of thousands of young men and women and their children who had been identified as leftists.
Ah Argentina – not a country with a fascist history? What planet are you on?
Argentina is re-known as one of the most, probably the most nationalistic nations on Earth, a nationalist fostered by Peronism, used alongside socialism to harness the nation to the leadership, who are in turn harnessed by the corporations, most of them owned by outside interests.
Grow up Argentina. Nationalism is used to sucker people and you’re all being suckers! We can get over how stupid you all are.
50 Anti-Fascist (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 06:53 pmReport abuse
44 Marcos Alejandro
ah here we are, educate yourself Marcos and stop being a nationalistic zombie – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Anticommunist_Alliance
51 claudio_laplata (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:07 pm
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52 Marcos Alejandro (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:25 pmReport abuse
50, Thanks for the 35 year old news.
How old are you? Ten?
53 briton (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 07:34 pmReport abuse
Mormon claim the largest database in the world,
Its called the [IGI]
Or International genealogy index .
as for CFK
she quoted ten points,
Well number one has backfired, and number two is backfiring now,
next. Number three .
54 JORGE1982 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:09 pmReport abuse
…“a deeply cynical political move designed to suppress increasing worldwide criticism of Argentina’s extremely aggressive “Malvinas” policy targeted at a community of 3.000 people.”…
What a lot of bullshit!!! Is UK the one with increasing worldwide criticism about this issue! this squatter clown seems not to live on this planet!
55 Brit Bob (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:10 pmReport abuse
@8 Marcos
George Galloway. Nor even an MP anymore. Left wing, a supporter of Chavez, Cuba, and Saddam what a catch.
56 JORGE1982 (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:24 pmReport abuse
@18 Instead of wrong interpreting argentine people in La Nación, Perfil or Clarin about the government, you should pay attention to the votes CFK got the last elections. Those three newspapers are against the government since 2003, but people don’t, that’s why she won the elections with 54% of votes. A record in our democracy since 1983.
57 JuanStanic (#)Mar 02nd, 2012 – 08:37 pmReport abuse
What’s the problem in them being against? It’s freedom of expression. If it’s bad that newspaper are against her so are those in favour of her.
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